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  • FrankenZuki revisited 5 years later! Got some questions.

    My Original post 5 seasons ago:

    I need some thoughts and ideas.

    My original engine was a 2001 DF 115. I encountered the classic engine holder corrosion, along with a blown head gasket. I spent 4 months doing what Egorena is going thru. I gave up and decided to buy a new to me powerhead. I found one on ebay with real low hours and it included the engine holder and oil pan, but nothing else (ie electrical, intake, fuel injection, etc).

    My challenge: Building what has been dubbed "Frankenzuki". The new low hour powerhead is a 2004. I picked up a ECU of Ebay for a DF140 that's a 2005. My original flywheel was not compatible, so it's been replaced with 2006 Johnson 140. I used the original stator, wiring harness, rectifier, fuel injectors, intake.

    Final result:
    Frankenzuki is ALIVE! (CLICK FOR VIDEO)

    I took my "Frankenzuki" to the lake yesterday and she ran great! Best of all, no water in the oil after several hours of running it hard.

    So here are my issues I do need to work thru.
    1) It's idling a little low, I guessing around 450 rpm's
    2) At around 1200 rpm's and in gear, the engine would surge a little off and on up to 1500 rpm's.
    3) I am still using the DF115's hood. Is this bad?
    4) I had to use the 2004 DF140 sensor that's on top of the engine near the thermostat. The connector for this one is different that the original df115. It's currently connected, but I don't know if it's properly connected because the wires are different. Any suggestions on figuring out whether I did it right?
    5) Lastly, if I ever need to take this in for service, are they just going to laugh at me?

    If you have any suggestions, comments that might help me along, that would be great!
    Thanks,
    Shawn


    One Year update:

    Well,
    I put about 200 hours on the motor this summer, and it performed darn near flawlessly. No water in the oil! It started right up and purred like a kitten everytime.

    Minor issues that I had to address were the IAC valve adjustment to bring the idle up a few hundred RPM and an intermitten overheat alarm (it was not overheating). The alarm was being caused by the plug I had previously suspected was not getting a good connection.

    To make this project fit into my budget, I sold my original parts to help pay for the ones I needed for the 140. And for those wondering, YES, I did sell my 115 hood and bought a 140 hood.

    Parts I bought for the 115 to 140 conversion
    2004 Stripped down power head with engine holder and oil pan $2500
    Flywheel $200
    ECU $499
    Hood $275

    Parts I sold on Ebay from my 115
    ECU $500
    Hood $150
    Cams $300
    Flywheel $100

    Not exactly breaking even, but a whole lot better than buying a new engine!

    -Shawn

  • #2
    Shawn, many thanks for the update on your monster!

    Sounds like she's been performing just fine for you. A credit to your ingenuity and persistence!


    Cheers!

    Grant

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    • #3
      So I just finished with the 5th fishing season since I built Frankenzuki!

      The motor has ran great, and I use the heck out of my boat going out into the Pacific Ocean regularly to fish Albacore tuna, salmon and halibut. I have put 700-800 hours on the motor since I re-did it. Because it was a "FrankenZuki", I feel like I have been chasing a few gremlins since day one. Nothing major, just annoying stuff that I kept addressing, but never really solving. So, now that you know the back ground, here are my issues/questions.

      1) Almost from day one I would get random over-heat alarms (about one every 2-3 trips). I verified with an infrared that it wasn't overheating. I replaced the sensors, and checked wiring to no avail.

      2) IAC valve. Arrrrrgh! The motor from day one would die if I brought the RPMS down too fast, and never idled smoothly. Bad or dirty IAC, right? Well I tried replacing and or cleaning several times to no avail. I eventually just ran my idle a little high to compensate.

      3) Random codes saying the Mass Airflow Sensor wasn't working correctly. HEY! Maybe that's why it didn't idle well. NOPE. New sensor changed nothing. I still got random codes. UGH!

      Mind you these have been mainly annoying issues that haven't prevented the motor from running fairly well for the last 5 seasons. Well finally, I think I figured out the issue! I think it's the second hand ECU (for a DF140) I bought off ebay. I decided to try out my old DF115 ECU and the motor ran flawlessly for a 12 hour trip. No idle issues, no phantom alarms. It didn't even die when I pulled the throttle back to fast!

      So this brings a whole new set of questions...ugh...

      1) Is the 2004 Df140 ECU just not compatible? Or is it bad?

      2) The 2001 DF115 ECU ran the motor flawlessly, but ocean conditions never really let me open it up all the way.

      3) Do I look for another ECU? Stay with the DF115 ECU?

      Too many questions!

      -Shawn

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      • #4
        Frankensuki

        Hi Shawn
        That is a no brainier! If its not broken don't fix it , Hope you have many more trouble free seasons

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        • #5
          water in the oil on my 2003 DF140

          What did you end up finding out caused the water in the oil and did it overheat? I am hoping I caught water getting into the oil before real damage happened. Something that is puzzling me is the oil smells like gas. Sounds like you have good experience and I would appreciate any help you man have. I am getting ready to pull the head.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by WEDOCQ View Post
            So I just finished with the 5th fishing season since I built Frankenzuki!

            The motor has ran great, and I use the heck out of my boat going out into the Pacific Ocean regularly to fish Albacore tuna, salmon and halibut. I have put 700-800 hours on the motor since I re-did it. Because it was a "FrankenZuki", I feel like I have been chasing a few gremlins since day one. Nothing major, just annoying stuff that I kept addressing, but never really solving. So, now that you know the back ground, here are my issues/questions.

            1) Almost from day one I would get random over-heat alarms (about one every 2-3 trips). I verified with an infrared that it wasn't overheating. I replaced the sensors, and checked wiring to no avail.

            2) IAC valve. Arrrrrgh! The motor from day one would die if I brought the RPMS down too fast, and never idled smoothly. Bad or dirty IAC, right? Well I tried replacing and or cleaning several times to no avail. I eventually just ran my idle a little high to compensate.

            3) Random codes saying the Mass Airflow Sensor wasn't working correctly. HEY! Maybe that's why it didn't idle well. NOPE. New sensor changed nothing. I still got random codes. UGH!

            Mind you these have been mainly annoying issues that haven't prevented the motor from running fairly well for the last 5 seasons. Well finally, I think I figured out the issue! I think it's the second hand ECU (for a DF140) I bought off ebay. I decided to try out my old DF115 ECU and the motor ran flawlessly for a 12 hour trip. No idle issues, no phantom alarms. It didn't even die when I pulled the throttle back to fast!

            So this brings a whole new set of questions...ugh...

            1) Is the 2004 Df140 ECU just not compatible? Or is it bad?

            2) The 2001 DF115 ECU ran the motor flawlessly, but ocean conditions never really let me open it up all the way.

            3) Do I look for another ECU? Stay with the DF115 ECU?

            Too many questions!

            -Shawn
            I think it's very possible that all the issues that you list are because of the ECU. But I'm also not sure what the fix would be, whether a different ECU would solve every issue. The overheat alarm, for example .... could be the programmed heat-rise curve in the ECU might not match your powerhead's actual curve. The overheat alarm is not only set off by actual overheating, but also by too fast a rise in temperature, even though the temperature stabilizes at the prescribed operating temperature. So if your motor just gets to operating temperature too fast, it will trigger the alarm. The other two issues might also just be because of different parameters in the ECU not matching what happens with your motor.
            Last edited by Harper; 10-07-2016, 12:20 AM.
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            • #7
              My vote is to stay with the Df115 ECU.

              If as you said Its working perfectly with that, then nothing to be gained by changing. As someone said, of it ain't broke .......

              I think Mike is likely on the money with his comments, where your sensors are set to Df115 parameters and the 140 ECU parameters doesn't match, hence the false fault/error/alarm codes.

              I am off to 1770 for a week's fishing on the Great Barrier Reef tomorrow. So keep an eye on the fishing pics sticky, with any luck I will have a few contributions to add there!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Moonlighter View Post

                I am off to 1770 for a week's fishing on the Great Barrier Reef tomorrow. So keep an eye on the fishing pics sticky, with any luck I will have a few contributions to add there!
                Tight lines, Grant!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seapro View Post
                  What did you end up finding out caused the water in the oil and did it overheat? I am hoping I caught water getting into the oil before real damage happened. Something that is puzzling me is the oil smells like gas. Sounds like you have good experience and I would appreciate any help you man have. I am getting ready to pull the head.
                  The gas smell in the oil is an easy one. The fuel pump is cam shaft driven. When it starts to fail, it will dump fuel into the crankcase.

                  Water was getting into my crankcase because the corrosion in the engine holder was so extensive water passages were compromised.

                  -Shawn

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Harper View Post
                    I think it's very possible that all the issues that you list are because of the ECU. But I'm also not sure what the fix would be, whether a different ECU would solve every issue. The overheat alarm, for example .... could be the programmed heat-rise curve in the ECU might not match your powerhead's actual curve. The overheat alarm is not only set off by actual overheating, but also by too fast a rise in temperature, even though the temperature stabilizes at the prescribed operating temperature. So if your motor just gets to operating temperature too fast, it will trigger the alarm. The other two issues might also just be because of different parameters in the ECU not matching what happens with your motor.
                    This is kind of what I was thinking as well. Thanks for your thoughts!
                    -Shawn

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