I am new here, 2008 DF250 625 hours, bent rod.

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Im in a battle with my insurance co Nationwide to get some help on and bent rod that came from what I believe was water ingestion form a huge wave I hit in Hatteras Inlet. I have this posted on another board but found this one and it may be of more help. Below is a copy and paste. Make sure you view the video that I am lucky to have but it was no help for me and the insurance thing...

Ok guys…. I have not posted this because of pending NATIONWIDE insurance claim but now its DENIED I am asking the folks from THT for some guidance. Ok here it goes. This past May we took a really large wave in Hatteras inlet on the way out. Inlet was on the rough side but calming and the ocean was good with maybe 3’ N Carolina waves. The second after the wave hit my engine lost about 30 to 40% of its power for about 10 seconds then it cleared and seemed to run OK. Because of a injury that happened at that time we turned around and ran back in for a roughly 10 minute run. I did try WOT for about 30 seconds and felt she was off about 5 mph but really didn't think much about it at the time. Once we got inside the breakwater and idled the engine down to under 2000 rpms you could hear a slight tapping. Pretty much shut it down and tended to my injured friend. Turned out he was going to be ok but needed stitches. Just so happens one of the guys was recording this on his cell phone. I have the video on you tube now and will post a link at the bottom of this note. I from the start think I ingested some water and bent a rod but the insurance doesn't believe me. We put the boat on the trailer and took it to a Suzuki service center. The engine is a 2008 Suzuki DF250 with 625 hours. There were no alarms or codes in the engine memory pulled by the Suzuki dealer. Upon disassemble of the engine a rod was found to be bent. May even be 2 of them. I have not seen the engine as it is 100 miles away and I have been real busy. The insurance claims guy want someone from Suzuki to say that water was ingested and that is what caused the rod to bend.. Apparently when the insurance guy talked to the Suzuki tech there was some doubt in his mind what really happened. I am not sure how the talk went or the context of the conversation. So now he insurance guy denied the claim and say I need to get the Suzuki area reps take on all of this. Now I am pissed cause this engine has never even had a hiccup the whole 625 hours until this. In the video you can hear the engine come back to al 6 cylinders at about 51 seconds. Cant really hear it when it starts stumbling because of all the other noise. You have to listen to it really load to even hear it come back at 51 sec. No mind you I sent this video to the insurance guy and the Suzuki tech. I wish I could edit that video and pull out more of the engine noise. Wondering if someone on THT is good at that??? I will try and post the print out from the engine computer too.

Thanks for any help,
Hawkeye

Here is the video…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVXh3Go6Abs




Here is a cut and paste from the Suzuki dealer from the 1st diagnostic work.

Attached is the ECM printout on the Suzuki 250. Our shop has performed a compression and leak down test. The engine was warm and throttle plates in open position. They are as follows:


#2 170 lbs. 30 % leak off #1 180lbs. 25% leak off
#4 155 lbs. . 60% leak off #3 175lbs. 45% leak off
#6 170 lbs. 25% leak off #5 115lbs. 25% leak off


As you can see the # 5 cylinder has the weakest compression however the leak off is not as high as one would expect for the weaker cylinder.

We water tested engine on ramp to hear “ticking / knocking sound”. Sound verified by our techs. Also in diagnostics it was noted that while rotating the flywheel in one complete revolution that the rotation will hit a stopping point as if something is binding in the engine . It does not go around freely all the way. We also dropped gear case to make sure problem was isolated to power head and not in the gear case. Problem still existed after gear case was dropped.

It my belief in order to determine failure that a complete tear down of power head and valves must be done to evaluate power head problem.

To date in diagnostic time our shop has 4 hours total labor.

Please let me know how you want to proceed from here.

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Here is the engine data.

TOTAL OPERATION TIME (HRS.) 625 h
TOTAL OPERATION TIME (MIN.) 40 min
0-1000 RPM 6686 min
1000-2000 RPM 15414 min
2000-3000 RPM 5126 min
3000-4000 RPM 3594 min
4000-5000 RPM 6264 min
5000-6000 RPM 442 min
ABOVE 6000 RPM 14 min

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More...

NO. OF CMP FAILURE(VVT_STBD) 0 times
NO. OF CMP FAILURE(VVT_PORT) 0 times
VVT ADVANCE ANGLE (STBD) 0 °
VVT ADVANCE ANGLE (PORT) 0 °
NO. OF VVT ADVANCE FAILURE(S) 0 times
NO. OF VVT ADVANCE FAILURE(P) 0 times
NO. OF OCV FAILURE(VVT_STBD) 0 times
NO. OF OCV FAILURE(VVT_PORT) 0 times
NO. OF CHECK CODE WIRE FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF EX TEMP SNSR FAILURE(S) 0 times
NO. OF EX TEMP SNSR FAILURE(P) 0 times
NO. OF SP SENSOR FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF TP SENSOR FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF NEUTRAL SW FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF INTAKE FAILURE 3 times
NO. OF MAP SENSOR FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF CKP SENSOR FAILURE 1 times
NO. OF IAC VALVE FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF CMP SENSOR FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF CYL. TEMP. SNSR FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF IAT SENSOR FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF FUEL INJECTOR FAILURE 0 times
NO. OF OVER-REVOLUTION 9 times
NO. OF LOW BATTERY VOLTAGE 0 times
NO. OF LOW OIL PRESSURE 0 times
NO. OF OVERHEAT(GRADIENT) 0 times
NO. OF OVERHEAT(TEMP.) 0 times

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Here is the only picture I have on the bent rod right now..sorry for hammering you all at once but this is about all I have. I did call and have the insurance re examine the claim at a higher level. No word back on that yet,

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The way this is going I may just do the rebuild myself. I see the cost of rods and pistons aren't that much in the scheme of things. I have a master mechanic friend that was actually on the boat that day. I am sure we could get this engine back together in good shape. The engine runs and ran only 15 min from the time of the accident. The rod bearings should of protected the steel crank and the only area of concern would be a couple of the pistons.

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Don't know how to tell you to deal with the insurance company any different than you have, but I can't imagine anything that would bend a rod like that other then water ingestion.

Too bad to think that, other than the injury to your passenger, the best thing would have been for a total hydrolock and a tow back to port. Then there would've been no question.


Mike